i'd say "teachers get paid nothing" is the general concensus. nothing = not enough to support a family of 4 comfortably without a second income. unless you have tenure... nothing, meaning much less than most other jobs you can get with a bachelors degree.
i never said i decided not to teach because of the money. i would never decide to go into accounting just to make a lot of money. but i love science and am interested in medicine.
however, there is something to be said for being debt-free and not having to worry about money. there is also something to be said for having a lot of money. teaching can help a lot of people. so can money.
i don't judge people for considering money, i judge them for doing things they hate just for money. it would be stupid never to think about money or make financial plans.
on The Corporation, shareholder profit laws, Sicko, etc.
Moderator: aquaphase
Being a doctor in no way helps you not to "worry about money"...in fact it could be argued that it might have the opposite effect. It would (possibly) allow you to have more money...which doesn't translate to less worry.
I agree about it being stupid to not consider fiances when making decisions. I am encouraging you to undergo those considerations with what might possibly be a broadened perspective.
I agree about it being stupid to not consider fiances when making decisions. I am encouraging you to undergo those considerations with what might possibly be a broadened perspective.
I like connecting things.
I guess my real point is...that you might have more career options if you would free yourself of some broad generalizations about lifestyles and money. Be more creative and reflective in your thinking as money is concerned. Now if you want to be a doctor because you interested in neurology, diabetes, the mind...etc etc. That is great. But the idea that I will be a doctor and therefore will not have to worry about money is wrong. It may not be correct thinking...but I have figured out personally that there is a balance between having enough money to be comfortable but yet not having too much that makes money a focus point of my life. If your "comfort" level is inflated...your paradigm will be flawed and your decisions could lead to unhappiness. To be honest Dalya...I have just watched you grow up and have such great admiration for your talents and oppurtunities that I want to see you do something truly great. I have been waiting for that over the years. I don't want you to end up a product of your North Dallas social class or a product of the backlash of that. The answer lies somewhere in between..in the quietness and the truthfullness of the day. As a friend and bystander of the years it is difficult to not steady your journey through it all. But that in of itself maybe my downfall and lack of faith.
There are no secret traps in life. We all know exactly what we are meant to do and what we are not meant to do.
wow...i'm a nut.
There are no secret traps in life. We all know exactly what we are meant to do and what we are not meant to do.
wow...i'm a nut.
I like connecting things.
I don't think it is the general concensus; they don't get paid a lot, but it's not nothing; the average teacher salary in Texas for the 2003-04 school year was $40,476(link). Most people I know would call that a living wage.i'd say "teachers get paid nothing" is the general concensus. nothing = not enough to support a family of 4 comfortably without a second income. unless you have tenure... nothing, meaning much less than most other jobs you can get with a bachelors degree.
I also don't think it's a gneral concensus that if you're not making enough to support a family of four on a single income, you make nothing. I don't know many people who can afford that, most don't expect to.
I also don't think teachers make much less than most other jobs you can get with a Bachelors; I know folks with degrees (more than degree, even) who struggle with relatively low-wage jobs, especially when startign out.
I'm not as poetic as Rubbs, but there's my two cents.
"There are many fish in the sea, Maria. But you're the only one I want to mount over my fireplace." ~Walter Matthau
hey, i will probably make around $15k this year working an average of 55 hours a week, and it's still enough to live on. you just need to be creative. money is nowhere near as important as doing what you love.
dread stuff
NEW ETSY NEW ETSY NEW ETSY
[But if I cross paths with him on Farm Town I'll harvest the fuck out of his trees and not even say thank you.] -jimbo.
NEW ETSY NEW ETSY NEW ETSY
[But if I cross paths with him on Farm Town I'll harvest the fuck out of his trees and not even say thank you.] -jimbo.
how did this thread turn into me defending myself? i said that many people might choose not to go to med school if nationalizing healthcare meant they got paid less.
in a non-related thread, i said I decided to try a chem or bio or premed major. because i don't like majoring in literature. and having gone to the doctor 48475 times this month for my back, i was reminded how much i used to love chemistry. it was in no way a financial or political decision.
???
p.s. i don't think its unrealistic to expect to be able to drive a reliable car/afford public transportation, live in a sturdy house with room for your whole family, eat food three times a day, have health insurance, and save enough money to send your kids to college.
comfortable = you can afford to put a percentage of every paycheck in the bank and not skimp on something else. financially, if you don't have enough money to save for the future (or if you don't have a large sum invested/in savings already), you are not "comfortable".
in a non-related thread, i said I decided to try a chem or bio or premed major. because i don't like majoring in literature. and having gone to the doctor 48475 times this month for my back, i was reminded how much i used to love chemistry. it was in no way a financial or political decision.
???
p.s. i don't think its unrealistic to expect to be able to drive a reliable car/afford public transportation, live in a sturdy house with room for your whole family, eat food three times a day, have health insurance, and save enough money to send your kids to college.
comfortable = you can afford to put a percentage of every paycheck in the bank and not skimp on something else. financially, if you don't have enough money to save for the future (or if you don't have a large sum invested/in savings already), you are not "comfortable".
I myself am hell;
nobody’s here—
nobody’s here—
sorry, i just meant... this thread isn't related to my other thread and money had nothing to do with my personal decision. i was just saying that i would assume that *many* doctors would not have gone through med school if they didn't anticipate such a large salary... not that i feel that way.
i didn't mean that teachers get paid NOTHING, but they are extremely undervalued, and doctors can tend to be overvalued. it always depends on experience, talent, location, etc. i think teachers have almost as many expectations put on them as doctors do (everything short of actually saving their child's life) but don't get compensation in the form our society provides compensation, which is money. if you get paid a lot, you are highly valued. money = love. that's the zeitgeist or whatever in america right now (and in most of the western world, i'd say).
i didn't mean that teachers get paid NOTHING, but they are extremely undervalued, and doctors can tend to be overvalued. it always depends on experience, talent, location, etc. i think teachers have almost as many expectations put on them as doctors do (everything short of actually saving their child's life) but don't get compensation in the form our society provides compensation, which is money. if you get paid a lot, you are highly valued. money = love. that's the zeitgeist or whatever in america right now (and in most of the western world, i'd say).
I myself am hell;
nobody’s here—
nobody’s here—
If anything, you ought to value one person by how they treat other people. The amount of commitment and courage it takes to accept direct responsibility for a sick or dying person's life is certainly worth rewarding highly. The status and money that come with that are entirely justified.
Most people's jobs/lives/hobbies/actions make smaller, harder to quantify contributions. The person that invents a cheap water filter for third-world locations could save a thousand times more lives than one surgeon but never have that immediate connection to the outcome.
Most people's jobs/lives/hobbies/actions make smaller, harder to quantify contributions. The person that invents a cheap water filter for third-world locations could save a thousand times more lives than one surgeon but never have that immediate connection to the outcome.
i agree totally. thats why i wouldn't want the government to decided that doctors are less valuble because national healthcare is so expensive.
i think other types of doctors can be over-valued... but wont list them explicitly to avoid offending anyone. but you know, ones that don't deal with death and ones that are kooky, like sunny's "cramps are a myth" doctor.
i think other types of doctors can be over-valued... but wont list them explicitly to avoid offending anyone. but you know, ones that don't deal with death and ones that are kooky, like sunny's "cramps are a myth" doctor.
I myself am hell;
nobody’s here—
nobody’s here—
yes BUT cosmetic surgeons that come in to do the stitches (to make scars less visible) are really helpful, i think. especially for kids who don't want to deal with questions about their scars their whole lives. i guess that is sort of reconstructive though.
i think the only cosmetic surgery i approve of is breast reduction (for back pain) and nose jobs to fix a deviated septum. those are "elective" but can be essentially necessary.
i think its so cool how they can make scars basically invisible now. i want to know more how they do it.
i think the only cosmetic surgery i approve of is breast reduction (for back pain) and nose jobs to fix a deviated septum. those are "elective" but can be essentially necessary.
i think its so cool how they can make scars basically invisible now. i want to know more how they do it.
I myself am hell;
nobody’s here—
nobody’s here—
Return to “Slapdash Incongruities”
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 22 guests