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Postby katie » Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:41 am

Bottom line: don't expect anything from them, they just love you for your money.
at the risk of sounding like an asshole, i don't expect anything from them but good music. i don't need tim or julie or any of the band to be my friend. maybe it's different for me cause i'm not in texas, i don't and never have known anyone in the band, and the most they ever were to me was this awesome band i'd heard of that no one else had that never toured anywhere but texas.

i also don't really think there's anything wrong with wanting money. maybe it shouldn't necessarily be your first priority in life, but i don't think it has to be the last, either. the band is human, too, and they gotta pay the bills same as everyone else in life. i think it's kinda bullshit when fans get all out of sorts over people in a band wanting money. you would too in that position, it wouldn't be all about fan support, and you're way too idealistic if you think it would be. of course, that's not to say i agree with the way things are being handled with this band in particular; if the rumors about them shutting down the forum cause of bad press are true, then that's just ridiculous.

as long as the music is good, i don't give a shit. but if it continues in the thumbsucker bullshit category, then i may just be done and continue to listen to tbso and parts of twh with nostalgia and a twinge of bitterness.

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Postby Dalya » Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:49 am

they have money. the rest of the band doesnt. they want more.
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Postby katie » Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:55 am

they have money. the rest of the band doesnt. they want more.
perhaps. i can't speak to that cause i don't know anything about the inner workings of the band. if that's the case, that's awfully sad. i just hope they are able to make truthful, honest, beautiful music because there is nothing more special than hearing that.
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Postby Dalya » Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:59 am

i'd listen to tbso. :]
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Postby Play-Doh » Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:01 am

Yes, its a possibitlity that the spork forum is down because of some of the things happening on there. Its another possibility that its down simply to be revamped in prep for the new album, or perhaps if a label change has occured they are seizing power of it. I just think that if it were shut down for reasons specific to the forum, they would have axed only that section and not the entire site. In addition, maybe they just think its a better idea to route the attention of curious folks to the current project at hand. The blog is simple to keep up to date, the website is not. Just my thoughts.

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Postby Dalya » Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:06 am

the normal band site is up and hasnt been changed. just the forum is gone. and they couldnt delete just a section of the forum, if thats what you meant, because all of our constructive criticism was in the section about the band.

they had the forum before they signed hollywood, so it wouldnt be hollywood's fault the forum is down. it could be that they didnt feel like paying for it anymore, which is stupid and selfish IMO. it could be that nobody wanted to moderate anymore and certainly nobody wanted to moderate to the point that no "inside info" was revealed about the band.
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Postby Play-Doh » Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:11 am

Well, Hollywood did try to make some changes to the forum when they stepped in, and we all know how that turned out. The main page, directs to the blog, just like the forum page does. Yes, the main site is still there, but one just has to know to type in the /main2. I was just saying if someone were to type in the simple .com that the main site directs to the blog. But enough about that.

Ehh, either way, im staying tuned...I guess well just have to wait and see how this whole thing turns out.

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Postby mr_j » Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:25 am

well, i think a lot of the animosity now is that tim, as a person, has changed. yes, what you say is true, katie--an artist has to think about money and finanical issues, and it's not wrong for them to do so. i recently had a personal revelation, and this was that the issues of right and wrong is often not found within a specific situation, but in the way you react to the situation. worrying about money and wanting to make money is not bad, but when you do it at the expense of good will of those who gave you their money, then what you're doing is not good.

*what follows is opinion based upon other people's dealings and my own experiences*

tim...was a complete prick in the TD days. from what i understand, he was totally, utterly impossible to be around. i mean, there was a reason he had a large fratboy following--that's where his loyalties were. yeah, he acted like a weirdo, but he had more in common with the Pikes than he did the punks. (this one sorority bar, just a block from where i lived, it almost never failed that once a week you'd hear a drunken 2-AM singalong to 'i got a girl' or 'my umbrella.') then, he decided he was an artist--and he did then what is being done now--he forgot about his fans, he cashed in the good will of the fratboys, and TD, ultimately, lost it all. not that following one's artistic muse is wrong, but Atom Bomb was a bomb when it came out, and a lot of people hated it. the appreciation for it didn't really come until after Wes's death.

but back to tim...when he started the spree, he was...humble. not difficult. not impossible to be around. grateful to have an opportunity to make music. a changed man. that's certainly the impression i had of him the times i talked with him in 2001. but, alas, things changed when the money started to come right in. it's hard not to let appearing on an internationally broadcasted commercial go to your head. and slowly, his rock-star personality started to come back again. so, when he starts to talk about the "Tripping Daisy" starting to slip back in, it's hard not to cringe, because that person was an utter ASS.

if you think the fans of the spree are devoted...they are nothing compared to what Tripping Daisy's. you think tuz is intense? he's a fuckin' lightweight compared to some of the hardcore. we're talking about people calling the rumor line every day, just to see if there's a new message, and, if there was one, they'd tape it.

it's kind of sad, really. how a man can let his head get so high up his ass in thought when there's really not much there to get his head high up about is beyond me. i just hope he realizes that the bed he is making now is one he will have to sleep in.

and what's even more frustrating is all it would take is a little bit of communication on their part. getting rid of the forum? tell the fans about it. they might be upset. getting rid of a section of the band because the sound is changing? that's fine; it sucks for those friends of ours in the band, but if we heard about it FIRST, instead of being completely out of the dark, it might not have been so bad. dropped from Hollywood? see, these things aren't things that would make fans abandon a band--but the way they've gone about it is just wrong, wrong, wrong. and that they're doing it under a pretense of being a 'band' is even more frustrating.

At War With The Mystics is a great record. Ships is a great record. You in Reverse is a great record. I doubt The Fraggle Army will be. Why? Because those are real bands. Yeah, their leaders may be weirdos and artistic visionaries, but all of those band leaders aren't trying to be something they're not.
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Postby katie » Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:58 am

fair enough, mr. j. i got into tripping daisy right before wes died, and was even too young to really appreciate it then. the spree was like the neat kid of my favorite band that no one knew of. i wasn't there for the madness and i certainly have never met tim or had any kind of personal connection to the band. i don't know anything about the inside scoop. i just want a good record to come out of it. i hope it does. if it doesn't... i'll move on. i do appreciate your insight and i really respect the passion with which you speak about the situation. i have nothing i can really say back except sorry, man.
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Postby Play-Doh » Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:17 am

Mr. J,

I did not quite understand your perspective until now, thank you for clarifying, it makes much more sence. Many of us who are still crazy about the spork are in the same place that many people were with TD. I agree that a little, just a little communication would go a long frickin way. I dont look at a little communication as "giving back to the fans." I look at it as common decensy so I completely agree with you there. Perhaps the reason many of us are still so crazy about the Spork (and so quick to defend the second someone says something negative) is that we have not seen the full history, and had as much involvment as many have. Either way, I am still crazy about the spork and I am excited about the new album. However, I should say that alot of people feel that their love of the Spork is being threatened, but I would have to say, that I have never felt that way. If anything, as a dedicated fan, of any band, I think we have a duty of learning all we can about where the band has been, and what has happened. And that means listening to everyones opinoin, even if we do not neccesarily agree with them. So, in other words, thank you for clarifying your position.

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Postby lennon » Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:17 am

COMMUNICATION is the key to a good relationship. without communication, relationships writher away and die.

it sucks that everything that has been done by many of us to help further this band has and is going unappreciated.

i hope that the new fans they hope to get with this new album are ready to be ridiculed on a daily basis for being a fan of a "freak/cult" band.

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Postby rockfan » Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:42 am


Justin, is it possible to make a thread regarding the CD swap here if necessary?
If you are referring the Spring CD swap I was organizing on the spork board, I still have everyones info if anyone needs it. Im still gettin emails that things are being sent and recieved.
Thanks for letting me know, TJ!

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Postby brine » Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:50 am

it's too bad we didn't get some warning beforehand, that CD-swap thread was pretty important, and I bet there's some PMs that people didn't want to lose.
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Postby Dalya » Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:56 am

ive heard different stories about tim during the TD era... some good, some bad. the stories ive heard about tim from earlier on, before they got so heavy into drugs, were mostly good. after jesus hits they were all fucked up and i know thats when they lost a lot of fans. i think i remember meredith saying she didnt really go to shows after jesus hits came out. in any case, i think the general consesus is that wes is what made tripping daisy so special. it was just a regular rock and roll band like every other band at the time, but wes made it different. then wes died.

that is the end of tripping daisy.

all references they make to tripping daisy now are moot because anything that "sounds like tripping daisy" will only sound like a shittier version of tripping daisy. the spree is something different and it needs to stay different. what makes the spree special is not tim alone, it is the group of musicians that come together to celebrate. but theyre not celebrating anything lately, theyre just playing their instruments real loud.

i sense a lot of fear not only from tim but from the whole band, even satellite members like teasley. i dont know if theyre scared of losing all their money or of losing their fans or being dropped by their label or what, but they are acting so defensive and protective, its crazy.

the spree is not just about tim. its not tim, julie, and a bunch of paid musicians. it is (or was/should be) tim, julie, and a bunch of musicians who dont get paid much at all but are so thrilled with what theyre doing they dont give a shit (or dont care enough to quit). what happens when theyre not doing anything thrilling anymore? the members slowly trickle away. as they have been doing for about a year and a half now.

i have to say i'm really curious about what the album will sound like. unless one of the songs is called "i'm sorry we were a bunch of shitheads to you, america" i doubt ill go to another spree show but ill consider buying the album.
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Postby Devdog » Sat Apr 15, 2006 5:08 am

If this doesn't change by the Christmas show, the management will get a rude awakening when they try to get volunteer's for it . Sure they may get a few hardcore fans to help out but that will be it. I know that the last two Xmas shows I went to, if it wasn't for the volunteers, it would have nice but not nearly as special. Might as well throw in cost efficient as well.

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