animal slaughter

[brine]

All of the animals that pass through the counter have been allowed to live free of hunger, thirst, fear, distress, pain, injury or disease.

which is a lot more than a lot of animals get in the wild away from any human contact anyway.

A lot of people overexaggerate the whole slaughtering dealio. Sure, the animal suffers greatly, but how many animals in the wild actually die peacefully? Like Steve said, the Lion will eat the antelope, while it is STILL ALIVE. The thing's getting ripped to shreads and it's watching for the minute or so of agony before it eventually bleeds to death or the respiratory/circulatory systems are punctured. Watch how long a praying mantis' dinner will stay alive while it's being slowly eaten away. A wild horse breaks it's legs, and it sits there for days as it starves to death and rots away, let alone the pain of the broken bones. Hell, there's diseases and infections that probably kill thousands of animals each day. They are in constant fear of being eaten. A wild animal's life sucks. I don't know where I'm going with this.

[lennon]

All of the animals that pass through the counter have been allowed to live free of hunger, thirst, fear, distress, pain, injury or disease.

which is a lot more than a lot of animals get in the wild away from any human contact anyway.

A lot of people overexaggerate the whole slaughtering dealio. Sure, the animal suffers greatly, but how many animals in the wild actually die peacefully? Like Steve said, the Lion will eat the antelope, while it is STILL ALIVE. The thing's getting ripped to shreads and it's watching for the minute or so of agony before it eventually bleeds to death or the respiratory/circulatory systems are punctured. Watch how long a praying mantis' dinner will stay alive while it's being slowly eaten away. A wild horse breaks it's legs, and it sits there for days as it starves to death and rots away, let alone the pain of the broken bones. Hell, there's diseases and infections that probably kill thousands of animals each day. They are in constant fear of being eaten. A wild animal's life sucks. I don't know where I'm going with this.

i guess where you were going with this is that since animals suffer in their own habitat, why should we worry if they suffer while being slaughtered. point is, humans are more advanced intellectually than animals and are able to make changes in the ways of the world if they deem necessary. animals deserve to be treated humanely in life and death as do humans.

i also believe in assisted suicide for humans with terminal illnesses. if an animal can be humanely put to sleep why do we have such a problem doing the same for someone who has a terminal illness and terrible pain but might live for several more excrutiating months? too many bible toting christians who believe its ALL in Gods hands. i am a christian myself, but i also believe God gave us a brain to use not waste.

my point, if animals are raised only to be slaughtered, lets at least give them a life as a free range animal not stuffed into a cage only to have their throat slit then bled to death.

[Dalya]

humans invented guns and knifes and humans know the fastest way to kill an animal. what is the excuse for bashing a cows head repeatedly until it dies? there isn't one except some sick fuck at the slaughterhouse and the indifference of everyone else.

and yes animals suffer in nature but it is NATURAL. it is not natural to put an animal in an enclosed truck for 36 hour transportation without a water break. i dont remember seeing that in the oregon trail computer game. "your horse dies because you were too lazy to water it." you cannot enslave or entrap a living thing and then not take care of it. have you ever heard of a prison where they didnt serve water or food? or let them lay down? that's called a fucking boxcar to a concentration camp and i dont care how stupid you think animals are, no living things deserve that kind of fucking treatment. not a fucking puppy or horse or cow or rat or human being.

it is also pathetic to think we are superior to animals, none of whom plunder the earth, none of whom create pollution, none of whom create the vast majority of their problems.

that is what is so beautiful about a cow. it just is. who does a cow hurt? no one. who does it help? almost everyone, with its milk. a cow doesnt kill its own kind. a cow doesnt kill period. they are just so lovely and wise and happy in their simplicity. we should all aim to be more like cows.

[Irock]

EDIT: oh yeah, hunting is awful.

See, I think REAL hunting (and most hunters can't afford those canned hunts George was talking about) is a lot most honest than buying your meat in a supermarket.

i "my daddy's a bow hunter, he is." rock

EDIT: AND there are deer heads (well, one deeer, one antelope, a couple of fish, one bird, and a few pair of antlers) on the walls in the house I grew up in.

[ifihadahifi]

it is also pathetic to think we are superior to animals, none of whom plunder the earth, none of whom create pollution, none of whom create the vast majority of their problems.

None of whom post on this thread.
Which renders them a status of being a non-forker.

And as far as that's concerned.... It's survival of the forkest!

[ree-ree]

We have the best animal husbandry standards in place for a UK supermarket. All of the animals that pass through the counter have been allowed to live free of hunger, thirst, fear, distress, pain, injury or disease.
In an ideal world the animals should be both reared and slaughtered by the same farmer, in a familiar place to minimise their trauma.

My father's side of my family are traditional farmers.
I stopped eating meat (I do enjoy fish occasionally) in the 80s because here in the states, agri-business is out of control. Hormones, antibiotics, disease, lack of oversight, the insepction process brarely exists. The processing plants are a nightmare. I could go on. That's why I stopped and though now, I can find organic meats, I'm so not interested.
I don't begrudge my cattle farming relatives. Heck, they're a dying breed. But I do NOT trust the corporate agri-business as it exists today. That includes dairy products, which I buy organic whenever possible and have our milk delivered by a reputable dairy. What's sad is now the lobbyists are trying to get the standards for organic lessened so it won't mean anything anymore and they can lable garbage as organic and make big $$$$$.

[Dalya]

in britain every other cow is labeled organic just for the hell of it.

fuckers. whatever, i buy horizon dairy products and only free-range chicken and wild fish. unless they change the meaning of "free range" I think I'll be ok. To me Horizon seems like a trustworthy company and I doubt they'd change their standards even if the standards changed. They'd probably invent a new word to mean organic FOR REAL.

[Steveums]

in britain every other cow is labeled organic just for the hell of it.

fuckers. whatever, i buy horizon dairy products and only free-range chicken and wild fish. unless they change the meaning of "free range" I think I'll be ok. To me Horizon seems like a trustworthy company and I doubt they'd change their standards even if the standards changed. They'd probably invent a new word to mean organic FOR REAL.

Um, no. The soil association is quite stringent with its regulations. However, I am not sure to what extent "organic" covers animal welfare. It's more about what the animals are fed, pesticides, herbicides, chemicals, etc etc.

[lennon]

that is what is so beautiful about a cow. it just is. who does a cow hurt? no one. who does it help? almost everyone, with its milk. a cow doesnt kill its own kind. a cow doesnt kill period. they are just so lovely and wise and happy in their simplicity. we should all aim to be more like cows.

simplistic, beautiful, and true


i like you more and more each day dalya.

[jbfromoc]

that is what is so beautiful about a cow. it just is. who does a cow hurt? no one. who does it help? almost everyone, with its milk. a cow doesnt kill its own kind. a cow doesnt kill period. they are just so lovely and wise and happy in their simplicity. we should all aim to be more like cows.

A student and his teacher sat on a fence watching a cow graze peacefully in the distance.

The teacher said to his student "what if that cow was made aware of its existence? What if it knew that its real purpose for living was ultimately to be food for us?"

The student replied "well I'm sure the cow wouldn't be grazing peacefully in this field. It would most likely try to escape."

"Escape?" the teacher asked. "How? It's hooves are not hands. It does not have the capabilities to get over this fence. And even if it did, where would it go? Eventually it would be caught and slaughtered."

The student thought about this for a while and answered "certainly this is why God does not allow cows to know the real purpose of their existence."

And the teacher added "and why we are cows to God."

LESSON? Everything is food for something else.

[Irock]

LESSON? Everything is food for something else.

The "God said so" argument doesn't generally work so well around here, just FYI.

[brine]

How many topics do we need to make in order to realize that vegetarian/vegans are idiotic hippies and meat eaters are cruel, heartless, savage barbarians?

[aquaphase]

LESSON? Everything is food for something else.

The "God said so" argument doesn't generally work so well around here, just FYI.

DING DING DING DING DING.

Besides, I like my animals on toast.

[sam]

I think we can place the supply side of the Texas horse slaughtering industry on the shoulders of the French. That is where, I believe, most of the meat goes. I would also like to register my opinion on one count; I think the idea that animals are our equals on any moral basis is ludicrous. Our treatment of them is a reflection of our own humanity. That being said, I like my burgers well done and steaks rare.

[Dalya]

japan too. the horses get shipped live to japan though. i'm sure theyre treated really well during the flight and transportation. i bet they have big fields inside the airplane to gallop around in.