Center For Consumer Freedom = bullshits

[Dogatron]

Yes, I've seen it, and I think it's truly enlightened. But it also brings to light something else. They've instituted these changes and kids aren't eating them, because they'd rather have chips and burgers, and when they are shown the facts of how much healthier the school lunches are now, the normal response is "I don't care".

I think the problem is really how they instituted the changes. The meals and snacks on offer in schools since the programme was aired are a long way off being what Jamie Oliver made. I know from what my mum said (she's a primary school secretary) that the kids love the healthy food when it's tasty, like exotic fruit or cheese and biscuits. What they don't like is bland healthy food like muesli bars or salad without salad dressing (yes I know). What I think they need to do in schools nationwide is get their food from local/regional sources (as much as possible) and get proper chefs to show the dinner ladies how to make healthy also tasty. Or introduce a local/regional/nationwide competition to find the tastiest school meals and the winning schools get funding and the other schools introduce the meals the winning schools made - end of blandness or at least a couple of steps in the right direction

[Phyllis]

i don't see why high schools have to stop having things like chips and hamburgers and no soft drinks. by the time someone is 14-18, they should be able to say "hey maybe i shouldn't eat these two pieces of pizza and have salad instead." if someone wants to eat nonhealthy stuff, then they're going to.

if our school got rid of snacks and soft drinks and pizza, i would just bring equally unhealthy stuff to school. and i'm sure a lot of other people would. i'm not going to pay 3 dollars so i can eat something that i don't even like.

fortunately for me, i can eat whatever i want and stay pretty much the same weight. i know other people can't do that and other people need to diet and eat healthy. or some people just prefer to be healthy. but i have no interest in being healthy and i'm going to drink all of the coke and eat all of the greasy cheap hamburgers i want.

[James]

Precisely. When I was in HS, all I wanted was the burgers and pizza because in our school, they were easily the best things they made. The regular lunches didn't taste of much. And back then, I could eat as much of whatever I wanted because I was a string-bean and growing and it didn't matter a bit. Of course, that hurt me later on...

There's no doubt most schools got it all wrong. They did show a few that got it right, where they still had chips but they baked them instead of fried them, etc...and it looked more like a proper cafeteria. And lots of choice. In fact, they kinda looked like uni cafeterias...

Again, there are always choices...to tie it back to the title of this thread, that particular website is indeed the bullshits...

[Dalya]

government shouldnt regulate stuff like that. and if a government does do it, it should be a local one. let a small population decide for themselves. kick mcdonalds out of dallas but not america. maybe missourians want to be fat.

in any case if youre dumb enough to think mcdonalds is healthy and let your kids believe the same, you and your offspring should die. survival of the fittest.

and there is always a cheaper option than mcdonalds, so poverty is not an excuse. you be better off not eating. let your body eat away at itself for a few months so that spare tire doesnt choke your organs and kill you at the age of 45.

[Phyllis]

and there is always a cheaper option than mcdonalds, so poverty is not an excuse.

like you know all about "poverty"?

[aquaphase]

I know all about poverty. I read about it in my golden books

[Dalya]

like you know all about "poverty"?

oh, i'm sorry. i didnt realize you've been hanging out with mister joseph. i'll restrict all future thoughts/comments to Pallegrino and yacht clubs.

you obviously have to have been homeless to understand that buying canned food and cooking it is cheaper than buying mcdonalds. college students don't know that, that's why i eat at the Mansion every night.

[James]

and there is always a cheaper option than mcdonalds, so poverty is not an excuse.

like you know all about "poverty"?

What does this have to do with anything? That is a true statement; it has nothing to do with poverty or whether anyone has first hand knowledge about it.

To be perfectly honest, I actually believe America's addiction to beef drives the wheels of poverty. I could go into a long diatribe about the history of beef consumption, the beef industry in the US and it's propaganda machine (including McDonalds), the amazing amounts of beef IMPORTED into America, as well as what sorts of resources go into making beef. You'd be shocked. I'm not trying to bag on beef consumption, but these days, it is a wasteful practice, and Americans consume WAY too much of it by normal standards...but then, the beef industry seems to control the standards, so...

[Phyllis]

oh, i'm sorry. i didnt realize you've been hanging out with mister joseph.

oooooooooooooooooohburn

anyway, sry that sounded so rude. i was a little mad when i wrote it but now i can't even remember why.

[Irock]

I think poverty is an excuse, in a way. Not poverty "in and of itself," but unfortunately poverty and ignorance go hand-in-hand, and a 99 cent burger is cheeper than a lot of canned food.
And to James' point, our culture is geared toward the idea that a meal must have some kind of meat (and chicken is somehow not meat) to be balanced. There are a lot of people who think a double cheese burger is a healthy option.

[lennon]

if you would really like to have a good day check out this article on the pork industry:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/st ... _polluters

[sam]

Hogs produce three times more excrement than human beings do.

Are they saying we should be eating people because it is easier on the environment? Those monsters at Rolling Stone have gone too far!

I think I should be an editor for the Center for Consumer Freedom.

[Irock]

if you would really like to have a good day check out this article on the pork industry:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/st ... _polluters

ok, that's fucking horrifying. Couldn't get past the first page.

[sam]

It occured to me that the intentional concentration and distribution of ammonia, methane, hydrogen sulfide, carbon monoxide, cyanide, phosphorous, nitrates, heavy metals, salmonella, cryptosporidium, streptocolli, girardia and fecal coliform bacteria would be an act of terrorism if it were motivated by religious ideology, an act of war for political gain, but is tolerated when it is done out of greed.

The only difference here is that we get the McRib for two months a year. There must be something in that sauce, because I still think it's worth it.

[James]

Hogs produce three times more excrement than human beings do.

Are they saying we should be eating people because it is easier on the environment? Those monsters at Rolling Stone have gone too far!

I think I should be an editor for the Center for Consumer Freedom.

When they had all of those hurricanes battering North Carolina a few years back, one of the biggest problems they faced in the clean up was the methane cesspools created from the rain water and the incredible amounts of hog feces. I think they even had to quarantine some areas for a while, but I'm not certain on that...